71. The 4 Planes of Integrative Healing & Building Resilience with Jana Bartlett Alonso
In this captivating conversation, Jana into the concept of aligning with the "level of the soul" and viewing life through a transformative lens. She discusses the significance of seeing life as a soul's journey rather than a series of random events. Jana introduces the idea of different "shamanic lenses" for understanding life, breaking it down into physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual planes, with each plane offering a unique perspective on your experiences.
Jana also shares insights into her integrative healing approach, which combines various modalities in alignment with the shamanic lenses. Ultimately, she encourages listeners to embrace their desires, take brave steps on their unique journeys, and trust that the energetic thread will lead them to the life they truly want.
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Welcome back to the Money Mindset Hub podcast. I'm your host, Carla Townsend, and I'm a money mindset and success coach for female entrepreneurs who are ready to manifest a masterpiece in their life and in their business. So let's get started.
So before we get into today's episode, I first off just wanted to say it is a banger. It is amazing. This conversation was fire and there was so many aha moments. Even listening back to it, I loved the conversation, but quick apologies because my audio sounds terrible.
Unfortunately, I had to record this from my bedroom because it was one night all my kids are home. And if you know, my office doesn't have a door at the moment and my bedroom is massive. So silly me didn't hold the microphone close enough to my face. And so I sound quite echoey, but Hannah sounds amazing.
Anyway, I just wanted to give you that as a little heads up because it pained me listening back to it. Anyway, I'll let you get into today's episode.
Welcome back to another episode of the Money Mindset Hub podcast. Today, I have an incredible guest for you. I know this episode is going to be fire and this conversation is just going to be everything that you didn't even realize that you needed to hear. So I have the most amazing guest, Jana Bartlett Alonso.
She's a renowned integrative healer, a business growth strategist, and the founder of the School of Integrative Healing. So Jana has developed a powerful system of healing that combines multiple modalities and dimensions to provide transformative experiences for her clients. So in her role as a trauma healing expert, Jana is dedicated to assisting individuals in healing from past traumas as she considers trauma healing an essential component of the integrative healing process.
Past so much more, right? I'll head over to Hannah in a second and she can explain a lot more about that, but she's a firm believer in having fun whilst doing the personal and business work. She believes that you get to have it all. The wealth, the health, success, and greatness, as well as experiencing rest and joy, love, connection, and lightness, even during the challenging times.
So her ultimate goal is to support clients in attaining emotional and physical well being and helping them reach their full potential. Potential. When I read this, this is when I knew like, yes, she needs to podcast because that full potential sentence there, I mean, amongst everything else, it was absolutely incredible that I read, but that one there is a big one for me.
That is the reason why I started my business was to reach my own potential and help others do the same. So I knew, okay, we're on the same path here, Jana. So I'm going to you and you can give us a bit more of an intro and you.
Thank you so much for that intro. It's, it's really interesting. Cause I was just writing a post about my story about three seconds before we began this interview. And it's really interesting when you hear the introduction, because what you're hearing and what you're listening to is me now, really. Right.
But I begun this not because I wanted to explore my full potential, but because I was like, is this it? Is this life? You know, I was brought up in a family where the general context of life, and a lot of people resonate with this is, you do your studies, you do your university, you get married, you have a mediocre relationship, maybe you sprout a sprog, that's my English for saying have a child.
Yeah. And you don't understand that. That's it. I mean. Right. Sorry.
You have a partner, you kind of have a mediocre relationship because you know, the crap that we hear, the honeymoon doesn't last, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You have a job that's all right, right?
You do that for 30, 40 years, you retire, you die. Okay. So that's kind of the general context of Of life, and in this post I was describing when I made the choice to go to where I am now, and I was 19 years old within the same three weeks, my mother was diagnosed with cancer for the first time, and I was diagnosed with three mental health conditions.
And it was really in this place of like, you know, I remember there was this guy and I followed him initially. I was 19. Okay. Cause he was really sexy. He was a surfer. He was probably in Australia. Blonde hair, but his post would always say, God, how good is life? And I would look at these posts and I'd be like, I don't feel that, I never wake up and think that.
And so for me the first piece was this notion of like, Can I have that experience? I want to wake up and I want to put a post that says, How good is life? You know? I want to be the person that genuinely believes that. I've been in health and healing for 11 years, okay? It's a long time. I always say this to people.
My mum used to call me albondiguita in Spanish, which means little meatball head because I have a very round face. So I don't look 31, but I promise you that I am. Okay, I'm going to show you my ID.
I know, I'm like, Mom, you know,
you really set me up with a complex there, like, my sister didn't get called that.
I was just the little meatball, you know, I know it was loving. Yeah. 📍 And what started as a journey of, I want to be a person that wakes up every day and thinks that life is good, was when I realized that there are Limitless layers to that and I was surprising people around me because they were like, honey, you've come off medication.
You've got this beautiful relationship. You're healthy. You're having fun. Why are you still doing this work? Because the context of the health and healing is I feel bad. Let's feel mediocre. That's the way that I see it. For me, it was this. There's so much more, if I continue doing the work, if I continue putting myself as my greatest priority, right?
Like there's so many more layers of love. There are so many more layers of consciousness. There are so many more layers of wealth. There are so many more layers of joy. And so now my life is a living prayer to that. Okay. But it didn't start from that place. And so I'm not sure if that's a solid introduction, but that's what I wanted to say.
Yeah, no, I love that. And I swear to God, you were just Speaking to my soul because that is exactly the path to success that I thought everyone had to do, right? Go to school, get good grades, go to uni, get a job, clock a hundred K, then you'd be successful, get married, have kids. Work to retire and then you die.
Yeah, that is what I thought the path to success was like, that's what everyone did because I didn't see other people doing it in a different way until I asked myself that same question, that exact same question, like this cannot be it. I do not want to keep working in corporate. I do not want to keep working my way up, managing more people, having less time with the family.
I didn't want any of that. So that just resonated to my core because that is exactly how I felt. And then until you make that decision, right? You made that decision at such a young age, which is beautiful. It took me to like, my God, when did I start this? I'm 32. I started this business four years ago. So I was 28.
When I decided to start the business, obviously it was many years before that I started to work on myself, but it took me to get mid twenties to have that revelation. So it's amazing that at 19, you actually had that. That is so young to have that kind of a, I guess, epiphany of like, is this really it?
Is this what
we're gonna do? It's interesting because I laugh at my 19 year old self now, because at 19 you don't realise how brave and courageous you're being, do you? you're just doing, right? And I look back and I'm like, I'd like to have, like, look at you! I remember saying to my father, okay, mum's just being diagnosed.
And when mum is diagnosed, all of the family secrets come out. So I'm told that mum had her first mental breakdown at 19. I'm told that she's been on and off antidepressants her whole life, from 19 to, she passed away at 56.
And I'm seeing that be my path, I'm seeing that open up. When I see my family members now or my mom's friends, they cry when they see me because I look so much like my mom, you know, so it's, it almost felt like I'm a copy of my mom with, with different choices. And so I saw this doing what doctors tell me to do 50 years down the line.
And I'm depressed and I have cancer and I, and I was like, no, it felt really obvious to me. And I remember looking at my dad and I remember calling him at university and I said, dad, my parents are both a bit hippie. So this was accepted. Okay. And I go, dad, I'm going to learn how to heal and then I'm going to bring it to the world.
He said, yeah. Okay. I see that. Isn't that remarkable? Isn't that remarkable? That he, this 19 year old that's still going out and partying on antidepressants, I've not shown any signs that I can do this, right? There's no evidence, I've not really attained, achieved anything, you know? And I call him up and he's like, yeah, I get that.
And I think it's because he'd also seen mum's
Battle with depression, let's put it that way, and she'd been doing all of the, all of the things that the doctors had told her to do for the last, you know, 30 years of their marriage. And it hadn't worked, right? So I think when you're someone that's born into a life where, I mean, I really believe that I was born to do this.
I was on an interview yesterday and I've always felt this calling from as young as two. Okay. So it's really been very, very much imprinted in me. But when you're given circumstances like. your parent being so ill at such a young age and, you know, all of this stuff with mental health coming out.
I think you're forced to think about bigger things. And that's what I'm really grateful for. I
can't even imagine the pain that you would have felt in those moments of even finding out that mum's diagnosis, but then on top of that, like you said, then you're finding about all these other things that you didn't know growing up.
You didn't know her battles growing up was silent. And that's one of the scariest parts when it comes to mental health, and I've been there too. I had to see a psychologist. I was on the antidepressants. I had a lot of things just happened in a really short amount of time. Mouth burnt down in front of my eyes.
Like there was lots of things that just triggered and I was 20. So, I mean, I'm only a year old on the news. So this was like one year a young age to go through that. And then you realize like. I mean, you get to make two choices, I didn't choose to change things at that point. I started to be like, I need to work on myself because this can't be right.
But continue down that same version of success. Whereas you were like, no, it was like, this is the turning point in your life. Even though it's a shame that you had to go through such trauma, you know, like strong with your mom and having to lose her. That's a horrible experience. I can't imagine that pain but in a way like that, I mean, you just saying that then it's
like, well,
that's what cause now, this has led to this now it's in those, like I said, like in your introduction there, even during the challenging times, it's like finding that light, even during the challenging times. 📍 I think that's something that we need to remember as, as women, as people, as entrepreneurs, as friends, as wives, as mothers, as whatever we are, resilience is something that is truly And I think that it's that staying power and that commitment to yourself that you will never fail in reaching what it is that you're supposed to reach.
It will all come together and often it comes from those devastating moments in life, the loss, the hard times, the times when there are no other options and there's nothing you can do about it.
That's what either makes or breaks people. But I think we all have what it takes to be resilient and it's a turning point and turn that darkness into light.
Often we don't see it for months or years down the track. Then we realize I had to go through
that or I had to experience this to then truly get to where I
am and be grateful. I don't know.
I know there's definitely different levels of trauma too. Obviously, I'm not saying that everything's not that bad.
Yeah, that's really
quite interesting. I completely agree. the context of my story, I never tell it as a poor me story. It's a way is this, is the, this is the reason for my greatness.
And that's actually the lens that I see it in. I teach this to a lot of entrepreneurs. I'm like, 📍 if you can hold yourself in challenge, And you can build on resilience and you can prioritize that as much as everything else. That's how you become unstoppable because the truth is about business or, creating wealth is that if you're only in it, whilst it's easy and good, you're not going to last, and there's a lot to be said about, I can hold myself in it all. And that's a skill that we can learn. That's not just, it's for some people and not for others. if you speak to people that knew me 11 years ago, they'd be like, Jana cannot handle stress.
Jana she's like a sinking ship the second that sometimes something happens. So all resilience that I have, I've built. And cause I think people can get that in their head. Oh, she's strong. And you know, all of this, but we build this and I think it is a primary ingredient.
Obviously we want to be creating joyful, beautiful, expansive lives but an ingredient for that is how do I hold myself in challenge? How do I hold myself in all life circumstances and situations because stuff happens and we can't stop that.
All we can control is who we be in those moments.
Yeah, that's exactly right. And I mean, I think that your true personality really comes out in those moments where you have no choice. That's when you really come down to the core of you and who you are. And you get to choose, like you said, you get to choose to strengthen those because you at 19 was not the person that could hold that level of stress, pressure, maybe responsibility,
I mean, Most non 10 year olds probably can't hold on a 30 plus year old can hold because they haven't had that evolution yet. They haven't had that identity evolution. They haven't gone through things they need to go through yet, but I absolutely agree with you. I mean, if you look back on yourself, everyone listening as well.
Like if you look back on yourself five years ago, even one year ago, I beg to differ that every year. We are changing and evolving so quickly that it's so easy to look to what's coming. What's next. Let's go. And who do I need to become a stepping into our higher self, which is great. Brilliant. But we often just overlook the journey.
It takes a solid amount of time to become someone who has solid self belief backed with unshakable confidence in yourself. And to have that same power in the entrepreneurial space. Like if you want to learn about yourself, start a business. If you want all your shadows to come to the surface and to experience what it means to hold duality, start a business because everything bubbles to the surface, but you're either going to sink or swim.
I literally had this conversation with my husband at the beginning of the week where I was put in this difficult situation and I was like, you know what? There are two options here. There are only two options in life. You sink or you swim. And I will never sink. I will only ever swim. There is no other option.
Can we anchor that in? Because I think that's so powerful. I actually just had like a ripple of energy through my body as you said that. There are only two options. Sink or swim. Like it's that simple. And sometimes we may slightly sink or float on the weight of swimming.
Do you know? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you swim, like that also happens and it's fine. But yeah, I completely agree. Business is, like a PhD in personal development. It's like a PhD in your own evolution. I'm going to end my life enlightened because of business, because I'm put in so many situations where I'm like, I never thought I would face this, huh?
Life, but there's so many gifts and opportunity in that.
Yeah. It's liberating, I think. I think also for everyone who's listening, I know that there are often times you can feel like you're kind of just stuck, you're stuck in this hamster wheel, you don't know if it's really going to work out, you know, maybe the manifestations of the clients, the wealth, the success, the accolades or whatever it is that you're going for in life and in business, sometimes it can feel like it's not actually coming when you have that biggest amount of resistance, that biggest challenge, it's just a sign that you are so close.
And what we're saying here is if you have no other option, there is not the plan B and you refuse to think you're always going to make it, you're always going to overcome that resistance and guess what? It just gets easier, but there are always going to be problems. But I think the more that you evolve on this journey, your problems just become different.
And it's kind of exciting to look for problems. Not what you're looking for. I mean, you're just like, Oh, problem. Okay. This is a level up. I look at challenges now. It's just an initiation into your greatness. That's all it is. It's like, oh, okay. Didn't think I'd have this. Now, how am I going to approach it?
Not as me now, but like, if I want to get to the next level, what would she do? Okay, cool. You just leveled up. That's the way I see a challenge
now. Completely. And there's the law of polarity. And so what does the law of polarity mean? The law of polarity means that for every problem that you face, there, there is a solution.
It's a law of the universe. And so it's even when you manifest something that you don't desire, maybe you manifest, no clients. Well, the fact that you manifested no clients, it's contrast, right? That's evidence that lots of clients exist. Okay, and that helps me. I'm like, Oh, this is just the contrast before the experience of what I want.
I'm going to notice this. I'm not going to say that it's not happening. I've noticed it. And then I'm going to put my focus on what I actually want and hold it. For as long as it takes to come through. Right. But yeah, I love all of the laws of the universe because we talk about stepping into the fullness of your potential for me when you understand firstly, how your human being works, because we do know that.
Right. And also how the laws of the universe work. It's no longer a guessing game. You've got a map to what you want. It might take the time that it takes. We can't, we can't know the gestation period, but you actually do have the infrastructure to create what you want. Right. And I love that. I wish they taught the laws of the universe at school.
This is
that feeling though, now that we know that right, ourselves that initially asked ourselves the question, it can't just be this. That was the, that was the sign. And then the laws of the universe was the map. That was what we're looking for. I feel like at every point along someone's life, most people, everyone that I speak to definitely, they get to this it?
They just don't know that the laws of the universe exist. They just don't understand quantum manifestation. They don't understand all that stuff yet. Maybe they've been so oblivious to it. It's just not been in their realm of awareness until it is. Until that question comes. And then that question just gets louder and louder and louder until you literally cannot ignore it anymore.
And you have to move, you have to do something about it and start learning and start evolving. We could talk about that all day long, but I really want to talk about your integrative healing. Tell me about this. What does it involve? Your school of integrative healing. Take it away.
I love that.
I feel like you've just given me a mic and I'm about to sing. I'm not going to sing for you guys, okay? It would be unenjoyable of an experience. For everyone present. So to kind of... Go back a little bit. So when I made that choice at 19 I graduated at 21. So it's ironic. I graduated from psychology, studying mental health on antidepressants being like, well, that's crap.
I'm like, this is the best universities got like, come on guys. And I really had this feeling of like, I suppose it was like. Like everyone's pretending like they know what they're doing and they actually don't. And so that really began a journey of me of like, what actually is health and healing.
So I bought a one way flight to Australia, actually, as a backpacker. And I lived in Australia and New Zealand for the next nearly three years. Whilst mum, we were told mum was cured and. I studied nutrition, yoga, meditation, kind of all of those modalities that are probably your first go to modalities when you want to heal,
it's like, you've gone a bit alternative, but you're not full alternative, right? You're not,
you're not,
yeah, exactly. You're not like full shamanism yet. You know, it's like, this is still slightly acceptable. And I came off my maybe within A few months, it really didn't take a long period of time and I remember calling my mom and being like, mom, I'm waking up and I want to be live.
And that was a really big deal for me at that time. Okay. Because the depression had been, really extreme. You know, it was severe depression that I was diagnosed with. And so I was kind of. Improving. I was starting to enjoy life. I was seeing that there are different ways to live. You know, I'd been taken out of my family setting and I was traveling alone by the end.
So there was no pressure for me to fit into kind of where I'd come from. So I was actually finally starting to discover who I was. And then I got an email from my mom and dad through email saying mom's going to die. The cancer's back. And I can you can you imagine right by email. I was like, that shows the emotional processing systems that are readily available for our family.
Anyway, I flew back and all of this work that I've been doing with naturopaths and nutrition and like all of this, I realized that actually. Given the fact that I was literally living in a crisis situation where we were always in and out of hospitals, talking about like palliative care and all of this, you know, I realized, oh, nutrition and yoga and meditation, this isn't it, I started developing chronic health problems myself, and I was in a state of constant overwhelm, anxiety, chronic stress.
And I ate better than anyone else I knew. I slept eight to 10 hours. I didn't drink alcohol. I didn't smoke. I was following everything that you're told you have to be doing to be healthy. And I was not right. My relationships were a mess. I was in crappy relationship after crappy relationship.
I didn't feel good about myself. I didn't like my body. Like the list goes on. And so I remember thinking to myself, well, there must be more. Like this, this, this is, this is shit, honestly, I thought it would be in nutrition. I'd done so many certification programs on this, you know, and I was like, this is shit, slightly better than psychology, still shit.
And so I really started studying the nervous system and trauma and. Shamanic medicine. Okay. And I started getting way more out there. And my dad was like, how are you joining a cult? He was nervous. he was like, I Googled shamanism and, Google doesn't tell you great things about shamanism.
So he was very nervous because I was suddenly going into, I suppose, uncharted territory. And I'd say I studied health and healing for maybe seven, eight years different modalities until I realized all of these different modalities are meant to go together, all of these modalities are meant to go together.
It's not that nutrition doesn't work. It's not that psychology doesn't work. It's not that it's like, ah, it's like when you do part of the puzzle, you've got one piece, you've got one piece of the puzzle, and it works when you've got a full puzzle. So if you look at the meaning of integrative, what does integrative mean?
It means the sum of separate parts together in one system. That's all integrative means. And so for me, health and healing was how can I create a full picture for my clients? How can I create a full puzzle? When I studied human medicine, they gave you a map to the universe, and it's the single most useful thing I've learned in the entirety of my life.
And they said, life works on four planes. Okay, everything in life works on four planes. Health, healing, the first plane is physical. So I was like, okay, my physical modalities go here. So we've got nutrition, because nutrition does make a difference, we've got nervous system recalibration.
We've got lots of trauma healing modalities that work on the physical plane. You know, body work. I'm like, okay, this all goes in here. Layer one of the cake. Still only 25 percent of the puzzle. The next layer that they talked to was emotional and mental wellbeing, and suddenly I learned about the unconscious mind and I learned about, how we can get stagnant emotions stuck in the body.
I learned about, past lives, transgenerational trauma. I found out, Oh, this is why me and my mom have struggled with depression. I come from a family of refugees. My mom wasn't brought up with fairy tales. She was brought up with stories of the war, my mom grew up. With all refugees in Morocco, I shouldn't grow up in Spain,
and so I was like, this makes sense. So then, all of my trauma work, my emotional clearing, my, my neurological reprogramming, you know, I do loads and loads of modalities within this. I'm like, okay, we've got the second layer of the cake. We've got 50%. Baby, this is making sense. Yeah. Then they talk about the level of the soul, and this is a little bit to what we've just discussed.
So, the level of the soul, the shamanic wisdom is that we can see through things through the physical letters, what is matter. We can see through things through emotion and through mental construct. We can also see things through the level of the soul. And this is where you start to experience transmutation of the problem.
That's when the problem is no longer the problem, you know, it's at some level. So, how does the soul see life? And this is really interesting. The soul doesn't see life as bad, wrong. This shouldn't be happening. So many people suffer so much because they're like, it shouldn't have happened to me. When I studied shamanic medicine, you know, even with mom's passing, it stopped being, this shouldn't be happening. And it started being this is exactly as it should be. I stopped suffering. Yes, there was pain, but the suffering ceased. So in life and business. When you do the healing work at the level of the soul, you're starting to find the energetic thread that knits life together.
There is an unseen thread in all of our lives that is taking us from place to place to place. So I work with clients on building resilience, overcoming obstacles, but also having the sensitivity to know that there is an energetic thread in their life and all they need to do is follow it. Okay. What's really interesting.
About the level of the soul is we start seeing everything through the lens of what's the lesson here, what's the blessing here, instead of making the business situation wrong or whatever situation wrong. You're like, okay, what is life teaching me? What does my soul want to learn? Where is this taking me?
You start seeing life as a soul's journey, not just a series of unexpected events.
I haven't heard it explained in that way. Is that kind of like this is what I learned many years ago and I teach it to my clients as well. Just tell me if it's similar. It might be totally off beat, but is that kind of where you picture yourself as a bird, you're looking at your life through like a bird's eye view.
And you are becoming the observer of everything, like this neutral observer of your life. Is this what you mean? You're looking through like, is that what you mean?
That's. A really fantastic visual metaphor for you to be able to understand it. So I just saw the Inca tradition, they use archetypes for each level.
So for example, physical is serpent emotional, mental is Jaguar. You can imagine what's a Jaguar like, like that's the emotional world, the spiritual plane is, is hummingbird. So what is, oh, I didn't know that. There you go. There you go. So when you think about a hummingbird, and this is really interesting for the final layer and such hummingbirds, Fly high. Not the highest. Okay, bird. So they fly high. So you can start seeing your life as a journey, right? You can start seeing that energetic thread and hummingbirds also represent, you know, having the nectar in life, the joy, the play, the creativity, so you zoom out. So you can find playfulness. So yeah, exactly how you said. And then the final lens is eagle. And so if you think back to the time of the Inca tradition, they lived in these huge mountains. What were the only thing that flew higher than that? Eagles. So Eagle is like the top level.
There are some mountains in Malaga. Malaga. And there's this beautiful area called El Torcal. Some of you guys may know it. And Craig, my partner and I, we always go hiking there. And it's so impressive. You're on the top of these like high mountains and you look up and the Eagles are still so far above you.
Right. And so that really is what this Eagle plane is about. And this represents. Energy, right? The formless substance where everything is and is not, so this is the plane of energy medicine. This is the plane of, the situation that I'm living right now feels icky, but what do I want to create from this?
So when you do healing modalities within the energetic plane, it's all about becoming the empowered creator, it's all about deciding you're becoming it's all about, you know, who do I want to be? And so integrative healing. And I know this is a really long response,
I love it because now it's also connecting lots of the dots.
For me in a different way. I haven't had this explanation of somatic practices in this way, in different layers, but it's nice to for me to be like, oh, okay, yes, I get this. I get this. I get, and now I'm putting together my, modalities and certifications that I've done, not even just that, but even in my own, my own journey and the journey of my clients.
These, this is really connecting these four pillars all together, which is really nice.
So helpful, isn't it? I did this training
and I'm like, this is so simple. Why is no one, why is no one talking about this? And we have to remember that this is like wisdom that comes from. Thousands and thousands of years from the Inca tradition. And it's still relevant to us now. This is like timeless wisdom that is always helpful. And I teach this in the context of healing and manifestation.
I teach this in the context of business. So all of the business courses that I do are multidimensional. So they run on all four planes. Anyway, integrative healing was for me, I studied with someone called Chris Waters, who is. One of the best teachers. I've had such extraordinary teachers.
I'm so grateful for my teachers and she was the one that taught me this system for the first time. And so integrity of healing, you know, I'm never going to be one of these people that's like my modality of my system is the best because I don't believe in that. I believe in synergy and I believe in co creation and I believe in gratitude for our teachers.
And so for me. Integrative healing is a adaptation or it's how I saw the shamanic lenses. And so I took all of my modalities and I put it in these four lenses and it is this system. And here's the thing about life is that if you're a person and all of my clients, this is why they said they work with me.
They were like, I love working with you. And I love signing up to you for like a year, two years, because I know that you're always an evolution. So I can't tell you that integrative healing is these exact things in each exact body, because I mean, I've got two certification programs coming up in the next two months, I'm a massive nerd, I'm a master.
My brain works in a bizarre way. My partner sometimes thinks that I'm autistic because he's like, how do you learn so much and map it together so quickly? It's just the way that I process information. So I'm always expanding the system because my end goal is giving people results and I care less about how, you know.
There's no right way. I love that though, because first off, there's a couple of things that I want to highlight that you sort of said there. There is no one way. There is no one method. There's no one key or code to crack. You are the code you need to crack. And everyone's code looks slightly different
depending on our
conditioning, our circumstances, what we desire.
So many different things go into that, but I love that you said that because there is so much out there for everyone. There is no such thing as competition. It's just you are on your own journey and what works for you works for you. But it's never a one stop shop. Like this is it. We're here. We're done.
This is it, it's fixed forever. I love that you explained that it's, it is an evolution of you. And if you weren't evolving and then teaching from that evolved space. You'd be so bored. It would just be, it would be so boring. Like come on, while
you don't change your choosing and you know, you need to make new choices. If you don't want to keep staying in the same place and feeling the same way. But yeah, that's a beautiful thing. I mean, yeah, I have no doubt it is absolutely incredible, but I love that because you're always a student, right? We are all students and I love that you're a big nerd because so am I.
I'm such a nerd. I swear to God, I'm like, I'm always doing some form of training, certification, learning. Constantly, but I know, but it's like, you're kind of led in certain ways. Do you feel that like? Okay. I'm not led to this. And this is what feels good. Or for some reason, like I need to pick that book up we're always led and it's just about taking those, taking note of those intuitive hits and following it.
And then you're going to evolve as
you go and teach from that
place of your own evolution. And that's when you're actually creating such a beautiful body of work. It's not still, it's not stagnant. It's always interesting, I think. It keeps
it interesting. So there's this term that I've heard someone say, it's a long time ago, and I love it.
And it's like, treating life as a living prayer, and it's exactly what you're saying. It's like, if life is a living prayer, I always know what I need to know. I'm always given what I need for my next step, you know? And I completely agree. there's, I went to go see, do you know Zach Bush?
No, I don't know. Google him afterwards and listen to him because he's a doctor, but he's the most spiritual doctor I've ever met. He's phenomenal. And I've been pondering a question in my head all week, and sometimes we think that God or the universe isn't listening. And I go to this talk, my partner messages.
messages me. He doesn't message me. We live in the same house. He told me, I don't know why I said messages me.
My husband DMs me all the time with Reels or any of
that. Yeah. Oh yeah. Reels is a love language though, isn't it? It is. Reels is a good language. Anyway, so he says, we're going to go to Zach Bush.
And I'm like super excited because Zach Bush has done this YouTube video. I'm a death jeweler. A lot of people don't know that about me, but Zach Bush did this amazing YouTube video. It's a 10 minute speech on death and dying from working in a palliative care hospital ward for a long period of time.
Anyway, so I was super excited and I sit down and Zach Bush starts speaking yesterday. And he's suddenly answering all of the questions that I've been asking myself in my head all week. And I love it when we really trust and surrender to life. It's like, you're going to get your answers in the strangest ways.
It's going to be absolutely bizarre. You're not going to see it coming, but can you trust that it is coming? And this is a lot of pressure and stress around business, right? It's like, can I surrender and trust that everything that I need and everything that I could ever want is on its way and God has got it and the universe is a greater intelligence that I could even understand and know with my little human brain.
Right. Oh,
absolutely. I think yesterday, the day before I set up my stories, there's two different frequencies that you can operate in. It's either faith or fear. Which one are you operating in? And in the lens of business, I think that's so relevant. Or even just in life in general.
When we're operating out of that can't control it and it's not happening. But then when we have total faith, we can relax. We can surrender and then we can just watch it all unfold. Like exactly what you're saying. I'm going to get my answers and I'm going to get those manifestations. I'm just going to do my thing.
I'm going to actually do something though. Like there's a big difference. This is what I want. I want all the money and I want all the success and I want all the, yeah, all of that. You can't say that. And not move, like not take a step back. When you're operating out of faith and taking action, of It's just really noticing which frequency you're in.
Yeah. And I just couldn't help myself and I googled him and I was like, yes, I do recall seeing his face, so I'm pretty sure I follow him on Instagram. ,
It was very interesting because it almost felt like a, a, an energetic realignment. Just listening to him speak. He's very, very funny as well.
He's very, very funny. It was typical IHA style. I don't know if you know what I vita's like, but it's like, yes, I do. You do? Okay. Yes. You've been there! Okay, were you there on party season or hippie season?
Definitely party season. I was 21.
Right. Got it. Get it. Okay, so everyone thinks Ibiza is this big party island, and I'm like,
We're all actually hippies. You know? Like
the party, there's one teeny town called San Antonio where everyone comes to get Absolutely annihilated and drunk. And then the rest of the island is beautiful paradise, nature and I feel like I'm a voice for Ibiza, I'm like, guys, we're misrepresented.
Okay. The paradise. I can't wait
to subscribe actually, because. It's spelt Ibiza and that is how most people say it. Okay. Ibiza. But then I learned when I was there or I think we met our girlfriend in the UK and then we flew over. She's like, no, it's Ibiza. Pretend the Z is a TH. And I was like, there you go.
So I haven't had a long time ago. So then every time I hear someone say Ibiza, I have a little giggle.
You're wrong. You're wrong. Yeah. We'd say in Spanish Ibiza. Yeah. I don't know. Ibiza. I feel like Americans say Ibiza. I don't know. I never thought about it, but I, you know, you kind of get used to it.
So I am bilingual and I'm Spanish English. And like anyone that's not Spanish says all of our towns in the weirdest ways, it just goes over your head. You're like, that is completely wrong, but I'm going to continue smiling and
having this conversation. I love that. So we could talk for days.
So where are we going to go now?
Let's let's bring this in. We could actually talk
for days. But what would you like to finish up on? There is, I mean, what do you want you want to talk about or leave the listeners with?
I suppose. Let's bring this to a close.
I think, what do you want to talk about? That's a dangerous question to ask. You have no idea what I'm going to
say. Let's not go in
that territory. How do I want to close this? Okay. What I want to close this with, and what I really like to say to people is like, it doesn't matter where you are, whatever you desire is possible.
Can you be brave enough to anchor into your desires? Can you be brave enough to ask yourself if everything is possible, what do I really want? And can you be brave enough to go on that journey? Right. And it's cause your life are ever going to be. The same again, when I began, right, I had nightmare finances.
I remember my mom, before she died, she goes, God, Han, you've got two really big problems. Thanks mom. That's your love life and it's your financial life. And I was like, you know, when you just get like a really stark look at your reality and you're like, my mom's Spanish, you know, in Spain, you know, sugar coat stuff, if you see a grandma and you put on weight, she's like, you look fat, like it's completely acceptable in direct Spanish culture.
So it was like, you've got two very big problems. Okay. I don't know if you noticed you're broke. And your relationships, they're not good. So I started there and I would say now the best things about my life are my finances and my partner. So wherever you are, stop focusing on what exists right now and start focusing on what you want and have the bravery.
To take the next steps and trust that that energetic thread is gonna appear and it's gonna take you where you wanna go. And it might be a path that you don't expect. You might end up on the shamanic training, shaking a morra, doing a little dance, doesn't matter. , go with it. Can I share and I can get in contact with me?
Of course. Yes,
please do. That was my next question. I was gonna ask,
how can everyone reach you? So Instagram is always a really great place. I'd love it if you come and came and said hi and shared, you know, what was a bit of an aha moment for you or any questions that you may have after listening to this interview.
My Instagram is Hannah, spelt J A N N A, think Jalapeno, you know, say Hannah,
right? I'll put everything in the show
notes as well. Are you going to put Think Jalapeno?
Yeah, I should probably put that, yeah. So they know how to
say it. And then the little spicy pepper. I would like that to be associated with me.
Hannah, Bartlett, Alonzo. And I'm also going to share a link with you all when you can download a free course. The free course is actually taking you through all four planes that I just described, but in the context of business. Or you can just book in a call with my team. I'm all about people who...
So if you've heard this and you're like, I don't even know what she does, I don't know the ways that we can work together, but I'm in book a call with my team and we've got so many programs and products, right? We could recommend something specific for you and your needs.
Beautiful. I love that. I love all of that.
Yeah. So take a chance on you, honestly, because nobody else will and no one else can. So, if any of this resonated, please take action, please hit the links, go and connect with Hannah. Yes, it's Hannah spelled J A N N A.
I'll put all your links in the show notes so people can connect with you as well, but I love this conversation. Thank you so much for coming
on. Thank you so much for having me and thank you for being so fun. This has been, I've had, I feel like we've known each other for a really long time.
Me too! And we just had an amazing coffee together or something. This has been a vibe, you know?
Thank you so much and yeah, we'll catch everyone else in the next episode.
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